So … not to sound negative or anything, but does anything else feel that Outlander strays dangerously close to Twilight domain?
We have 1.) a young woman, who should know better but still finds herself in very dangerous situations, who is swept away…
I agree. I am reading the book now and the main character is annoyingly stupid and helpless. Also, She is an ENGLISH woman with a bunch of SCOTTISH soldiers in the middle of a war where they are on opposite sides… and all that happens is *gasp* ROMANCE. I am generalizing, but honestly. WIth how much fantastic imagery and detail the book has (almost too much sometimes), it is seriously so bland and Twilight-y. It seems that the only danger she is in is ALMOST getting raped, and possibly they will find out she isn’t what she says she is.
claire is stupid and helpless? all that happens is romance? are you certain you are reading outlander and not some shitty fanfic?
oh i see, you don’t like details, which means you are probably missing most them.
p.s. the war has not happened yet in the first book, wtf are you even talking about? maybe you should try actually finishing the book before you talk shit, because if you don’t think jack randall presents a very real danger to claire and jamie, i don’t even know what to tell you.
I can see this is your favorite book? I appreciate that you care so much about this story, but you don’t need to be aggressive. I am not talking shit I am just stating my opinion. Just because this is not a story that I like, it doesn’t mean that it is a threat to you or your ideas about it. I would be interested in hearing your opinions on why you think this is a good book, but not if you are going to be immature.
So far Clair has only met Jack Randall once and no, I do not believe that he is a real threat to them at this point. They hardly even mention him at all. All that seems to happen for the first half of the book (once she goes back in time) is that she walks around the castle, does some healing, talks to Jamie, talks to some other people, and tries to figure out a way to get away from the people who are taking care of her for no reason. If the war hasn’t started yet then why does she end up in the middle of a battle between English soldiers and the rebels the first thing when she appears in the past? Why do they have to go to the people to collect funds for the resistance? Why was Jamie shot in the shoulder at the beginning? Of course not by English soldiers who were waiting in ambush for the rebels, because they obviously aren’t at war? If the author’s intent was to not have the war started until later books then she did not do a very good job of explaining, so maybe you could explain better?
it’s not my ~favorite book~. it’s a book i do happen to like a lot, and unlike you, have read from start to finish.
you do realize that long ass paragraph you wrote there describes all the things that happen in the book that are not romance, right? which was my point, and what i took exception to in your original response. i find it funny that you would lob the accusation at me of being immature when you are the one moaning about a book you haven’t finished or made any effort to try to understand the plot of. you dismissed it as nothing but romance, which is completely incorrect. you don’t have to like the book, but making patently false and sweeping broad generalizations is something i’m going to speak up against.
i get that you want to support your friend, or whatever. but that response was misguided at best. i questioned whether you were actually reading outlander because the plot and characters you are describing to not exist in that novel.
by the way, they are raising funds to finance a rebellion that has not yet officially begun. which means that at the point at which you are reading, scotland is still under the king of england’s rule. they are not yet at war. this is the foundation upon which the scottish uprising will be built, yes, but it is still in the future as far as the book is concerned. this is all plainly explained in the text, so again, i’m going to question your comprehension of what is actually happening. i can’t take your opinion seriously when you don’t even seem to understand the information that is right there in the text. perhaps these details are getting lost for you, since you said you don’t enjoy ‘overly’ detailed writing. i promise they are present.
in any case, outlander has very little in common with twilight, except for a female protagonist (in the first couple of books, at least) and a red-headed love interest. comparing claire to bella swan and jamie to edward cullen is totally laughable. if you’re not enjoying the story, that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. comparisons to twilight, however, are totally baseless.
twilight fans, please don’t be offended. it’s simply that the characters are very different. and the plots have absolutely nothing in common. twilight simply does not hold the copyright to ginger men, or romance with said men in general, and in any case outlander was written well before twilight. i’m reminded of someone who called outlander dr who fanfic as well- there have always been and always will be stories about time travel, and dr who does not hold the monopoly on the concept.
Thank you for explaining. I am reading the book, but you are right that I haven’t finished it yet. This does not mean, however, that my opinion is invalid.
I responded to your comment about the war not being in the first book which is what that “long ass paragraph” is about. I do appreciate you explaining, but again as stated you didn’t have to come out so aggressively in response to my first comment.
In regards to the romance, I feel like it is a little forced at some points but that is just this author’s style (like the long descriptions). Once the romance is more developed it may be different.
I like discussing books with the people who enjoy them so I value your opinion and view on how the book is. You’ve made some good points, and I also agree with another poster who commented that Clair is written as a strong woman.
I do plan on finishing the story although it may not change my opinion and I do believe you that the details are there I may have just missed it.
Because you seem to know a lot about this, is the T.V. show adaption good? Would you suggest watching it as I continue through the book or wait until it is over?
i’m not trying to be aggressive with you. i’m just scratching my head over how someone who hasn’t even read a good portion of the book can feel comfortable dismissing it the way you did initially.
if claire has only had one run-in with black jack randall (bjr for the rest of this) so far at the point you’ve read to, then a) the romance hasn’t truly begun yet, as jamie and claire are certainly married before they fall in love, and that marriage occurs in response to claire’s second run-in with bjr, and b) you really haven’t gotten a good picture of the sort of man bjr is. he is a villain- a very complex, well written one, but a danger to claire and jamie all the same. and if the relationship feels forced, i think it’s meant to at first. claire is very focused on returning to her own time and to frank, so she’s not really thinking about jamie as a romantic prospect at first. the book is from her first person pov, and that means we readers only know as much as she does. so i suggest perhaps reading on a bit more and then revisiting your opinion about the plot. i think you’ll find there’s a lot more to the story than you got in your first impressions.
claire is definitely a strong woman, which was why i questioned you calling her helpless and stupid. given the time period in which she finds herself and the role of women at the time, i find her very strong indeed. she is a stranger in a strange land yet she manages to make a place for herself, survive, and thrive. she’s a skilled medical professional, and an outspoken person for what she believes in. of course she’s flawed, because reading about someone perfect would be horribly boring. she makes mistakes, but probably less than most people would make in her extraordinary situation. i find her to be a very interesting, well developed character.
i quite like the tv show. it does not follow the book exactly, but closely enough that most book readers are satisfied. it doesn’t take the liberties that say, game of thrones does (at least, so far), but it does streamline and clarify things since we don’t have the full benefit of claire’s narration to explain everything. i think some things, like the seeds of the uprising and dougal’s fundraising, are explained more plainly. i’ve heard positive reactions from both book readers and those who are new to the story. if you’re going to watch and read concurrently, i’d say only read as far as what the current episode covers, so you’re not spoiled (and i’m sorry if i spoiled the marriage for you; i didn’t realize you hadn’t gotten to it yet because you referenced the romance). the show so far has gotten to the collecting of the rents and claire’s second meeting with bjr, so you wouldn’t be too far off if you marathoned the first six episodes. you might even prefer it to the book. my husband, for example, can’t get through the game of thrones books because of the wordiness, but he loves the show.
Thank you! This helped me to understand a little more about whats going on and its definitely more interesting now. I also started watching the T.V. show today and its even better.
Originally I was listening to the book on audible while i was at work and in the car and reading it when I wasn’t. After our conversation I started to realize that the woman who was narrating the book may have a lot to do with my opinion of the book. I’m not sure if you’ve listened to the audio, but she has a very proper english voice. She does a decent job but I feel like she only reads in one emotion.
Watching the show has made it easier to give the characters the proper personalities, especially Clair. I took your advise and I am marathoning the first 6 episodes (even as we speak lol).
My boyfriend and Dad loves the Game of Thrones series. He is reading them but we both love the T.V. show, and I can’t wait for the new season.